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It wasn’t that long ago that Georgia Meloni was a nobody. She had a tiny party and there was nothing to predict that she would become the favorite in the elections on September 25 in Italy. This is a country given to surprises and, in politics, a laboratory to always have under observation where things are always happening that later end up happening in other places. Berlusconi, the rise of the extreme right, anti-system populism, the decomposition of the left, technical governments, impossible alliances on the edge of the abyss… We talked about all this with Enric González, who was a correspondent for EL PAÍS in Rome in the years of Berlusconi, and Daniel Verdú, the current correspondent.

The leader of the Fratelli d’Italia party, Giorgia Meloni, at a rally in Genoa on September 14.


Sound design: Nacho Taboada

Recording: Camilo Iriarte

Tuning: Jorge Magaz

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